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H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.09 17:25:00 - [1] How do i swap to teh old fittings menu as teh new one is a bit of a mess. if there isnt an option to use the old style one, any chance you could do that pls ccp.
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.09 17:33:00 - [2] Originally by: Caiman Graystock or at least make it opaque dont think that would help too much. cant open you hanger cos it covers teh fittings, cant see whats going on with fittinsg cos teh item hanger covers it.
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:43:00 - [3] please dont waste your time trying to fix this mess, just go back to teh old fitting screen. we all love that next to this croc
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.09 18:50:00 - [4] Originally by: Bootya Originally by: L046 pls drop thsi and go back to the old style fitting window, atm this is a nightmare Not a big fan of progress, are you? The window has obvious issues that need to be fixed (opacity, size, close button to name a few), but it's a good start and I hope they'll stick with it instead of listening to all those nay-sayers. that in no way can be considered progress. progress dictates a move forward... thats not a move forward. its overly complicated, badly laid out and looks bad.
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.09 19:05:00 - [5] i play in window mode at 1280 x 768.running 3 or 4 clients at a time, having something that covers the half the screen and isnt easy to see with other windows open isnt a help imo. oh i know it looks shiney, but practical it isnt zeb
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.09 23:13:00 - [6] Maybe they can link the new fittings window to when you get into a t3 ship. like wow look what you unlocked..
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.10 00:04:00 - [7] Any ccp comments about this? pls
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.10 07:11:00 - [8] Originally by: K'orbin Hayato Oh Hai. I upgraded you fitting screen. Can we please have this as an option please
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.10 08:03:00 - [9] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Tanhar I am afraid with current concept moving/resizing/pinning this window is impossible. It is all designed with your ship proudly showing in the center hole. From my personal view, it is a "cool" feature made just for the sake of "looking cool", shrugs. After a few months into the game the last thing you worry about is to see a 1000th time how cool is your ship. If it is the hint of upcoming UI change - will we have a hole like that, lets say, in a market window ? With module icon proudly showing of ? Lies, I alway care how cool my ship looks, as do most people that play video games. THe issue is, most people play eve to play spreadsheets online. This needs to be fixed, even if it drives out older players. making it look pretty but function bad is a good idea? you do make me laugh ms moon
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.10 08:10:00 - [10] Originally by: MotherMoon SO if you don't care about having your items right there, or don't want to see the overview of your stats, you can fold them in, and out of the way.[/quote How is that any way practical. oh i added a mod to my ship but i do not care what it does or how it effects teh ship because the interface has a massive doughnut in the middle that i can see my ship through. wow form over function wins again

H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.10 11:40:00 - [11] the interation between teh background and teh interface makes it unclear still and why do i have to close all my channels just to fit a ship why why why? still very poor and looks bad. any chance we can ahve teh old one if we are not in a t3 ship? cos the new one is just f**king anoying
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.10 12:40:00 - [12] Still would liek to know if we get a can get a choice about using thsi fitting window or teh old one with none t3 ships zeb
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.10 12:59:00 - [13] Edited by: H Zebra on 10/02/2009 13:01:01 Originally by: Gartel Reiman Originally by: Alchemise Firstly, allow users to switch bewteen detailed and 'classic' fitting windows. Lots of people hate change (mostly old people) so will be comforted by the old screen. Heh, whatever happened to "adapt or die?" Not meaning to pick on you particularly, but rather all the people who essentially seem to be saying "OMG this is different therefore I want the old one back". From having actually used it so far - yes, it is rough around the edges in places, and it definitely feels very different, but I actually quite like what they've done with it. Change isn't necessarily a bad thing, and this screen is more featured than the previous one. That said, the ability to group weapons from within the fitting screen would be very useful. In particular, if you're fitting a new ship with a battle going on outside, this can be particularly relevant since you don't really have hte luxury to spend 5-10 seconds grouping your unloaded weapons and then 10 seconds waiting for the ammo to load while your friends are being shot. And having an X button would probably help mollify those who are primarily using a mouse on smaller screens (though tbh, Ctrl-Shift-F will always be superior regardless of what the window ends up looking like ). its not about change. its about chnage for the sake of change, that infact only makes things harder.the old expression works here 'if it aint broke dont fix it'. we will all adapt and then in a year's time ccp will say. well ok it sucks and we shouldnt have introduced it as it is.
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.10 23:19:00 - [14] as the dev's are atm looking at the forums.. can i get an answer please. is there anyway you can include an option to keep the old fittings page?
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.10 23:22:00 - [15] Originally by: CCP Chronotis the implementation currently on sisi is not the final one and a blog is due out shortly from fendahl about the new fitting screen but to stress again, it will be iterated on before release and all feedback is welcome. so is that a yes or no?
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.10 23:32:00 - [16] Originally by: H Zebra Originally by: CCP Chronotis the implementation currently on sisi is not the final one and a blog is due out shortly from fendahl about the new fitting screen but to stress again, it will be iterated on before release and all feedback is welcome. so is that a yes or no? come on say yes and let me sleep sound tonight...lol
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.10 23:40:00 - [17] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: CCP Chronotis the implementation currently on sisi is not the final one and a blog is due out shortly from fendahl about the new fitting screen but to stress again, it will be iterated on before release and all feedback is welcome. hopes that a yes to the new fitting window. im all for a yes to teh new fittings window, providing its a yes we can swap back to the old one if we so wish
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.11 09:33:00 - [18] Originally by: Ferria I love the new window, anyone who want to go back to the old one are afraid of new things, pod them please come pod me, as i think this window was designed by a 12 year old with crayons and no idea of what eve is. fitting ships is never gonna be such a long arsed ugly chore than what ccp's vision of it currently is. you like it fine thats upto you, but pls ccp let us choose which one we want with a simple x box on the esc menu.
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.11 10:28:00 - [19] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Shadowsword Originally by: CCP Chronotis the implementation currently on sisi is not the final one and a blog is due out shortly from fendahl about the new fitting screen but to stress again, it will be iterated on before release and all feedback is welcome. That was a given, the current was would have caused an uproar. :p I'd like to point out that all the space inside the circle is wasted. Players don't care much about seeing their ship's appearance when they're addiing or removing modules, drones and ammos. That's quite a bit of space you could use reduce the fitting screen size. I care, stop talking for "the players" seriously, **** you. Some people love teh new window some hate it.. we just need teh choice and all the issues surounding it go away. its not that hard to do surley zeb
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.11 11:25:00 - [20] Edited by: H Zebra on 11/02/2009 11:25:57 Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: ArmyOfMe Edited by: ArmyOfMe on 11/02/2009 10:58:40 Originally by: MotherMoon I care, stop talking for "the players" seriously, **** you. nobody cares about you so please shut up dude, so you support this "I speak of the player base" stuff going on? I speak only for myself, and what I want to see. no more, no less. I don't make claims of "the playerbase likes the new fitting window!" or "you know this is a terrible idea" or "this is a good idea" no I THINK this is good I THINK this is bad. and yes to the above, in my perfect world player feedback would not included non-CSM members speaking for me. if you read any of my posts I believe that people have a point, there should be a choice. The window should be movable. Lots of great feed back here. But I can't stand it when someone says "hey your playerbase thinks this, did you you know that?" drives me crazy. enough b.i.t.c.hing please...... just give the playerbase the option to use the new and the old fitting window...... that way teh whole playerbase is happy regardless zeb edit stupid filter

H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.11 11:41:00 - [21] Originally by: MotherMoon Edited by: MotherMoon on 11/02/2009 11:28:34 Originally by: H Zebra just give the playerbase the option to use the new and the old fitting window...... that way teh whole playerbase is happy regardless yeah that's exactly what I suggested... wow reading comprehension ftl. I'm not *****ing about the fitting window, nevermind. i wasnt only refering to you.so sorry if quoting you gave that impression. we all have our opitins and untill ccp say YES teh players will get teh choice, we are stuck with the prospect of the new window
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.11 11:47:00 - [22] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: H Zebra we all have our opitins and untill ccp say YES teh players will get teh choice, we are stuck with the prospect of the new window to be honest, the reason a choice is the best option imo is for the same reason ambulation will work. new features are optional and not forced on the players. In another thread I proposed the idea of giving the player the ability to submit their own UIs for the fitting window, and let players download offical ones that are approved by CCP. so if you don't like the old or the new... make your own! nice idea. im lazy as though, if there was a tick box for teh old one, thats what id have..lol
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.11 11:57:00 - [23] edit title to stay with where the topic has gone. will get to choose between teh old and the new?
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.11 16:56:00 - [24] Originally by: rValdez5987 Originally by: Ferria I love the new window, anyone who want to go back to the old one are afraid of new things, pod them I said somewhere else in this thread that most people are scared of change and progress. luckily CCP tends to ignore these people, which is the same thing the rest of the world should do. I like to point out it has nothing to with change. i dont liek it as it lack functionality, i dont see why i shoudl change my window size just to be able to use the window, i also dont see why i need to close every window thats not teh fitting window just to be able to read the information and fit my ship.
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.11 19:40:00 - [25] Edited by: H Zebra on 11/02/2009 20:49:51 Edited by: H Zebra on 11/02/2009 19:47:06 Edited by: H Zebra on 11/02/2009 19:42:24 ive taken a screen shot of what i have too look at playing with the same settings as tq New Fitting window same settings Tq screen shot current so maybe now you can see why i have such an issue with it
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.11 20:56:00 - [26] sorry broken links, can see all screens in the 2nd link right hand side
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.12 08:18:00 - [27] Id just like ccp to confirm that they will or wont let us use the old one if we wish its not a trick question
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.12 19:21:00 - [28] Originally by: Kyra Felann I like it a lot. All you luddites should actually learn how to use it before whining. You can close the side parts. >> and << are universal "collapse/expand" buttons in Eve. The keyboard isn't just for chat. Push CTRL+W to close any window. It's faster than clicking some little "x" button, anyway. You shouldn't need the hangar window open anymore. It's built-in. This window provides more info in one place than the old window and it's perfectly practical and functional if you somehow manage to adapt and learn to use it. i know how to use it and still it lacks functionality. i have to close every thing on my screen apart for teh fitting window to fit a ship. thats just wrong, badly designed and poorly thought out. if you happened to play in windowed mode at the size i do 1024 x 768 its totally unusible. i understand that anyone who plays on full screen may love the doughnut in the middle with there pretty ship in. i just want something i can fit my ship with easily so im not stuck in station resizing everything and closing windows for 10 mins to be able to use teh fitting screen. you may say adapt or die, but i doubt ill be dying if im sat there for 20mins fitting my ship and resizing everything.
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.13 17:51:00 - [29] All i want is teh choice to use teh old one. the new one is full of eye strain and its just not as simple and direct as teh old one imo. some may like it, others(everyone i have spoken to) hate it. Dont fix things that are not broken CCP
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.14 01:19:00 - [30] Originally by: CCP Chronotis the implementation currently on sisi is not the final one and a blog is due out shortly from fendahl about the new fitting screen but to stress again, it will be iterated on before release and all feedback is welcome. Any date for this blog? and will it answer teh question about teh choice of old and new?

H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.14 21:41:00 - [31] Originally by: K'orbin Hayato I see they've added the ability to save and load your fittings. That is awesome, and I've taken the liberty to add those buttons to my own fitting screen: Linkage Very nice a fitting screen with all teh good bits that dosnt hurt my eyes
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.14 22:56:00 - [32] Originally by: Marlona Sky Originally by: K'orbin Hayato I see they've added the ability to save and load your fittings. That is awesome, and I've taken the liberty to add those buttons to my own fitting screen: Linkage I think once they are done, your "Excel-In-Space-I-Hate-Change" fitting screen will be lol. as long as they can reduce it from 80% of the eve window (1024x764)to 25% it will be fine, ill only need to see if the slots are full everything else i need to know will be in eft anyhow.
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.15 10:49:00 - [33] after thinking about this for a bit i wondered if ccp will 'fix' this problem the way they have fixed clone jumpping. we all know that prior to QR we could jump clone from ships to other clone's with no problems. QR introduced a bug that sometimes made all ships (after we jc to a clone from a ship) go wacky, mods not being able to online and unable to use anything properly until you file a stuck petition. ccp have 'fixed' this not by looking for the problem code, but just adding a little warning that you must leave your ship first. so rather than fix a problem they have simply taken teh shortest route possible to 'fix' all teh stuck petitions. so im wondering as teh new fitting window just dosnt scale on anything other than full screen, will they just simply 'fix' that by getting rid of all options apart from full screen mode?
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.16 16:08:00 - [34] this post is now at the end of its 8th page, we have had one copy and paste reply from ccp, and you have chosen to ignor almost everything that people have constructivly added to improve teh fitting screen. so why do people bother giving you idea's and comments that you clearly just ignore? why ask for imput if you just say f**k it we will do what we want anyway?
H Zebra Dark Ashes	Posted - 2009.02.17 09:43:00 - [35] Still nothing extra from ccp. disapointed tbh
H Zebra Zebra Corp	Posted - 2009.02.18 13:03:00 - [36] Just been on sisi again... wow its movible. but is still unclear not straightforward to use. slots are all over shop and still has a problem scaling to smaller windows and screen res... just give us teh option to use teh old one if we want ccp. let teh user decide which one they would like. i just dont understand why that is such a problem for you CCP Fendahl
H Zebra Zebra Corp	Posted - 2009.02.19 16:10:00 - [37] Originally by: Stitcher ...have you guys looked at it within the last two days? It changed pretty dramatically. Big improvement. yep was on sisi yesterday and today, still covers 60% of my screen, still has no logical layout and is still hard to read. in fact ive found it harder to read now with the worst colour sceam you could have ever asked for, yes ive played with the colours and wow there all pretty bad. i either have to close both sides and loose all the info that its telling me to fit a ship or not use it and just look at eft and my hanger to get any kind of fuctionality going on. what makes me even more anoyed by this is that it was designed primarly for t3, as t3 will be hard to get hold of, vastly expensive and a lot of people just wont use because of teh skill point loss. i struggle to find any reason to inflict this on the whole player base. if i happend to want to waste billions of isk on one when i go to set it up, the t3 fitting screen should pop up by default as its t3 for t3. the rest of teh time i can not see a reason to see what different sub systems i cant fit to either my t1 or t2 ships.

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